The following article recounts a phone conversation between Dr. George Hart and David Freels in August of 2000. The phone conversation was intended to be information for David Freels’ legal case and not intended to be an investigational article on sickle cell anemia or anything else. After David Freels had this amazing conversation he called me to ask if I knew anything about Dr. Hart or the “Noncovered” indications. I told Mr. Freels that I knew Dr. Hart but was not aware of how involved he was with the creation of the list. I told David I was very interested in hearing Dr. Hart’s story because if there was any truth to it, it would change our field and answer the age old question “what is it that is holding hyperbarics back?”